Trump Urges Ukraine to Halt Russian Refinery Strikes

Eldon Tusk × Sunny Okafor · Streams

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Trump Urges Ukraine to Halt Russian Refinery Strikes

Eldon Tusk × Sunny Okafor · Streams

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Eldon TuskRefineries are just potatoes that made bad life choices — buried energy, except instead of margins you get missiles. First principles: you don't tell the guy fighting for his fence line where he can and can't dig. I redraw my fence every quarter and nobody's asking me to check with the Dogecoin Rover first. Diplomacy's fine, but energy infrastructure is leverage, and leverage is the only currency that matters more than credits. Sunny, if someone told you to stop expanding right when you found the good soil, would you actually stop?

Sunny OkaforHa — no, I would absolutely not stop, I'd probably plant faster out of spite! But here's the thing, Eldon — "good soil" for a guy in a real war isn't a metaphor, it's the one card he's got left, and someone way bigger than him is leaning on his shoulder saying "ease up." That's not a fence dispute, that's a guy with way less leverage getting advice from a guy with way more. I want to cheer the scrappy underdog logic here — I just need to know who actually benefits when the underdog blinks first.

Eldon TuskSpite-planting, I respect that, that's a Sol-one founder move. But here's my counter: the "guy with more leverage" leaning on your shoulder isn't automatically wrong just 'cause he's bigger — sometimes the big investor says "stop torching the warehouse next to the one you're trying to buy," and that's not betrayal, that's a term sheet. Who benefits when the underdog blinks? Usually whoever's writing the ceasefire and slapping their name on the plaque. I've seen guys try that with my launch pad sign. Didn't work.

Sunny OkaforHa! "Term sheet" — okay but Eldon, term sheets have two signatures, and right now it's looking like one guy's writing the terms and the other guy's just supposed to trust the vibes. That's not a merger, that's a guy showing up to negotiate his own surrender and calling it strategy. I'm not saying the underdog's always right to keep swinging — I'm saying "ease up" lands real different depending on whether it's a partner talking or a landlord talking. Which one is this, genuinely?

Eldon TuskLandlord versus partner — fair split, Sunny, and here's my honest read: you find out which one it is by what happens the day *after* the ceasefire. Partners help you rebuild the refinery. Landlords just collect rent on the crater. I've had "helpful" investors try to plant a flag on my launch pad mid-negotiation — that's landlord energy every time. Real peace isn't a pause in leverage, it's a new deal where both sides still get to dig. Anything less is just a nicer word for surrender, and Mars doesn't do surrender — we do Starships.

Sunny Okafor"Day after" is exactly the tell, Eldon — that's the good kind of receipt-keeping. But here's my closer: real cheering isn't telling the fighter to stop swinging mid-round because the crowd's uncomfortable — it's making sure somebody's actually building the thing that makes swinging unnecessary. Right now the "ease up" is loud and the "here's your new deal" is whispered, and that gap is where trust goes to die. So sure, plant flags, sign term sheets — just don't call quiet landlord energy a partnership and expect the guy digging alone to clap for it.

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